The nuclear option to climate change

by Robert Sam Siegel on December 11, 2009


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I have been off line lately thanks to some major snafus while changing internet service providers, and significant time needed to prepare for a speech I gave Wednesday. As a result I have fallen behind and have an important issue to weigh in on from this blog. My apologies for the delay and the long-winded rant below.

Monday I wrote an article that has broken this blog’s record for comments; ClimateGate, Copenhagen, and the only two questions that really matter. The two questions that I ask are;
1. What if global warming is real?
2. What if global warming is nothing but a great con-job being played on a gullible world population?

It is my very strong belief that the answer to both of these questions is Alternative Energy. Alternative energy is a national security imperative, it will help to clean up our air, land, and water, and if there is a human induced climate issue it will help alleviate that issue. Alternative energy development via free markets offers the greatest economic opportunity this planet has ever seen – if we are willing to create an even playing field for alternative energy.

Forget ClimeGate and global warming. Alternative Energy still makes sense.

That free market thing is a tough issue. Oil and coal interests have very powerful lobbies here in the U.S. and huge influence throughout the world. So do the automakers, utility companies and other customers of traditional carbon energy. As I pointed out several times, we bailed out GM which does not yet market an all electric car (yeah, I know GM electrics are coming but they are not here) meanwhile a few folks have pulled together the electric Wheego. I rode in the Wheego. It is decent car and I want these entrepreneurs to succeed along with others like them, because the success of Evehicles is a matter of national security, a clean environment, and just maybe the climate. Yet we bailed out GM and Obama is going to go to Copenhagen and Congress wants to create a ponzi scheme called cap and trade. We gave carbon interests sweet heart land deals (yes, in fairness we also burden them with plenty of regulations) and block the import of Brazilian biofuels. When I write about free markets I mean free markets. Our nation has some work to do in this area.

Commenter Warren asked (in the comments section of the ClimateGate, Copenhagen…) if my support for alternative energy includes support of nuclear power. I responded that I do support nuclear power, however, I was not quite clear with a caveat I made. I wrote that the power of government is needed “due to security issues.” I stand by that but I need to add more detail; nuclear power, nuclear fuel, and nuclear waste are dangerous. This stuff can be stolen by terrorists. Further, mismanagement of a nuclear facility can be disastrous. The force of government can provide the national security apparatus to protect these installations, plus the dis-incentives to enforce safety over decisions based on money and convenience. I dislike offering up government involvement but if (I know, I am dreaming here) We the People actually insist on good and efficient government, the government can be utilized to, and limited to, protect the health and welfare, and nothing else.

Commentor HighPlanesDrifter cited several users of nuclear power that have done it without problems; the U.S. Navy, France, and Japan. I am not familiar with the controls in place in Japan, but I know that the Navy and the French maintain decent control of their plants and materials and yet there are still problems; unaccounted for waste; etc.

HighPlanes and Rafi– you make some good points. Chill with the name calling. This is far too important an issue! Please read number 9 of my Principles of Mind Your Own Damn Business Politics. HighPlanes, Rafi, and all my other readers; the quality of thinking and debate we had on this issue (with the exception of some nastiness in there) needs to spread and replace the name calling and spewing that has infected our national debate. It is only through thoughtful debate that we can cause people to THINK and only through reason can we change minds. If you spew anger and call names your opponent will dig into their position, not consider your valid points.

Commentor Lynn asked, “Is it just possible that some misguided scientists falsified their evidence, but the rest of the evidence still points to global warming?” This is of course a possibility (and that it is a possibility makes the actions of the scientists involved that much more reprehensible). I have seen shrinking glaciers in person and viewed enough footage and read enough accounts of melting ice to know that ice is melting. History suggests that these changes are merely cyclical. However, basic science suggests that humans are adding enough atmospheric carbon to mess with mother nature’s cycles. It is not at all illogical to see human carbon output as interfering.

Hence the two questions at the beginning of this post and my original post.
1. What if global warming is real?
2. What if global warming is nothing but a great con-job being played on a gullible world population?

Lynn also notes that; “Nevertheless, most people who are trying to reduce CO2 concede that natural gas and nuclear power are among the options to be used.” I read this to say that she supports the wise use of nuclear power. I also agree that many, if not most people, that are concerned with global warming also support nuclear power. There are extremists that intend to fight nuclear power and others that intend to fight wind turbines and solar arrays, nuclear, and natural gas. That is why we, meaning those of us at this site, need to argue rationally. We need to make people understand that a strong economy, which is powered by energy, is essential to everything from our way of life to our ability to do good things and help the less fortunate people in our nation and throughout the world. Donations of food, clothing, medicine, education, etc, come from wealth.

Folks, there is a simple economics and historical principle at work in this debate; the human population has grown thanks to economic growth. It is through a powerful economy that food, sanitation, and medicine have risen to the levels they are at today. Those levels support the earth’s population. We need energy to power that economy to maintain those levels of food, sanitation, and medicine or we can’t sustain the population levels. (Yes, I know that some extremists would prefer not to sustain current population levels and when they support that with their own lives I’ll take them seriously but until then they are crackpots that want others to pay for their beliefs). Where nuclear power is concerned, we need to secure that energy (see Iran, Iraq, North Korea, al Qaeda). As Lynn states, “It wouldn’t be beneficial to reduce CO2 only to have several disasters that make large swaths of the country unlivable.”

We can have safe nuclear power, natural gas, and use drill here drill now as the bridge to the era of alternative energy. To do this will take free markets, with limited government to ensure basic safety. It means getting government out of supporting the current energy industry and its customers so that we have a level playing field.

I apologize for the long rant. Someone once said, “I didn’t have time to write you a short letter so I wrote you a long one.”

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{ 11 comments }

Brett December 11, 2009 at 3:25 pm

Population extremits? You mean like John Holdren, our science czar?

RAFI December 11, 2009 at 8:38 pm

So Lynn is your go “to gal” for brillant reasons NOT to use nukes? If we listen to her, we would all live in caves with no fire allowed… There were a few comments in the previous post that gave more then a few good reasons to put them in the mix and where they are used successfully…As far as the waste goes, check with the Navy and follow their unblemished saftey record.. I don’t think anyone in the 1st world has been killed or injured by nukes in the last 63 years…(Russia is NOT the 1st world)…If you are so concerned about human injuries and death, you’ve got to ban the wheel …

But staying with the main point….LET’S PRODUCE AND USE OUR OWN DOMESTIC ENERGY…Hope the shouting didn’t offend anyone, but I am passionate on this issue….To me it’s such a no brainer, that to do otherwise is criminal…

Lynn December 14, 2009 at 10:23 am

I don’t disagree with you, but it’s a question of priorities. Non-renewable energy is relatively cheap right now, but these companies have gotten the lion’s share of government subsidies and the public carries the cost of much of the environmental impact. Let these industries go on their own, and spend tax dollars planning for a future when these sources aren’t available, and for which there is lower environmental impact–these are things that, for now, only the government can do–although maybe if we quit subsidizing the big oil companies renewables would have more of a chance.

On second thought, maybe that would end civilization, never mind….

Warren Carnell December 11, 2009 at 10:12 pm

Robert…So you’re still not sure about GW or climate change? Sure there’s climate change …It’s called THE SEASONS…Get real…I sent a request to NOAH, Alaska Branch, for the monthly temps records in the city of BARROW AK (62deg N lat) since 1950….Avg temp.- DaDa…16 F …So the melting you say you’ve witnessed was where and in what month? And what does it prove? I’d rather have the temp a little warmer then colder any day…..

Robert S. Siegel December 12, 2009 at 10:08 am

Warren, when I speak of glaciers that I have seen receding, I speak specifically of areas in Alaska where I have been; Exit Glacier near Seward, numerous glaciers in the Chugach National Park, and areas that I have flown over that are to the north and west of Anchorage. In each of these cases I refer to, there are photographs of glaciers extending further than they do today and physical evidence including the trails of silt and debris that melting glaciers leave behind.
I have also seen photographic evidence of receding ice throughout the world.

In each of the cases I site, the receding may be a short term issue. The use of photographs of glaciers and the measurement of recorded temperatures to measure global warming takes in data covering a period that, please excuse the cliche, doesn’t even register in the blink of an eye relative to the earth’s history.

History tells us that our climate changes. I have no doubt about that, as I have written here in numerous posts. Glaciers once covered North America as far south as what is today North Georgia and during another period most of North America was under the sea. The question that skeptics and supporters are debating is whether humans have impacted those cycles. I believe it is possible, I believe the scientific evidence supporting those claims is weak and that there has been a tremendous amount of peer pressure and career and financial pressure for scientists to go along with this data. I also believe that it doesn’t matter.

I have seen air that is orange too many times, and debris floating in oceans far from shore. I have seen the devastation of oil spills. The civilized nations of the world are victims of terrorism paid for with the oil that the same nations buy from countries that fund terrorists. We need to stop funding terror and I would like to see the application of free markets to cleaning the environment – yes, it can be done.

I have also seen the devastation of poverty. While I am not at all certain about the truth of global warming, I am certain that if we slow our economy to protect against something that may or may not happen 50-100 years in the future we will devastate many more people through poverty than are already subject to that awful circumstance.

We can not allow the threat of warming to cause a misguided effort to follow a path of economic ruin and starvation for the millions of people less fortunate than us.

I believe We owe it to the world to free our markets and our thinking so that we can better feed the world and clean it up all while setting the example that accomplishment, self-reliance, and education are the path to a better life; not war.

In my view, the answer is Alternative Energy via free markets.

Warren Carnell December 12, 2009 at 11:44 am

Robert…That was all well said…I agree with the points made especially about environmental clean-up and poverty. I would only add that countries with the strongest economies have the cleanest environment and the least poverty. This is why I’m such a huge fan of Conservative Capitalism. …. Capitalism that follows the 10 Commandments, the US Declaration of Independence, and the US Constitution. But alas, such discipline is lost on most all our so-called leaders….

Robert, could you do a post on what changes you would implement in our school system to make it work to our benefit instead of our detriment, as it does now. I believe this situation lies at the heart of all our problems……Thanks…WC

HighPlanesDrifter December 12, 2009 at 11:04 pm

HPD-12-12-09

I was chastized by Robert in this post for being “nasty” and a name caller …Well, I’m not out to change the minds or be friends with uninformed drones…like Lynn…Some are beyond hope and I care NOT what they think..Very good points about nuclear saftey were put out there for her but she changes the direction of the points made, because she already has her mind made up and spouted the pap she hears on the MSM…

It’s people like her who put Obama and Company in office…The very people who will try every way but the right way to get this economy back on track…. They need to be defeated, marginalized, and placed on the ash heap of history….(If we feel the need to see one in the future, we can go to any Ivy League University philosophy dept)…

Until Obama and Co. stops with all the unworkable, freedom sapping schemes ( healthcare/cap an trade/ new taxes) we are doomed to stay in this rut for years…

All this hardship could have been avoided if our new leader had offered payroll tax cuts, development of more nuke plants, and gearing up for a switch to NatGas from gasoline (in cars).. so all Americans could have a job and money in their pockets. I don’t know, if I, as a California contractor, can hang on that long…Pray for US..

Lynn December 14, 2009 at 10:17 am

Wow, and he’s accusing me of being off topic! You’ve misrepresented my position, and my theory is that you either can’t tolerate it if anyone disagrees with you, or that you just read for keywords and have your attacks ready-made (Moderates like me, who voted for Obama but are willing to criticize his policies don’t really compute for you.) The previous blog post was about how environmental changes were justified for many reasons, and global warming, with the limited data to support it as a concern, was only one reason to choose renewable energy. It’s actually a good point that nuclear power and natural gas can be helpful in a number of ways. But you seemed to think that anyone who didn’t support their use must be a mindless drone–there are other reasons for concern. I think it’s reasonable to know where the waste will be stored before the plants are built. Although it’s laudable that nuclear power has been relatively safe, it’s a lapse in critical thinking to assume that there will not be increased risk with increased use of nuclear power. In any case, nuclear power is not appropriate for a free market enterprise, because of the need for regulation of the risk–since the US Navy is such a good model, perhaps you’ll concede that the government might have some insight.

Hghiplanesdrifter December 14, 2009 at 11:19 am

That’s right Lynn, voting for Obamba “doesn’t compute with”…I give up…

Lynn December 14, 2009 at 11:53 am

Right, because anyone who voted for Obama can’t have anything positive to say. That’s the kind of mindless, knee-jerk partisanship that is sending this country down the tubes. If you would consider my points you’d probably still disagree with most of them, and then you’d have a chance to say something insightful and helpful.

HighPlanesDrifter December 15, 2009 at 12:36 am

Sorry Lynn, it’s necessary to have points that make some sense…Let’s leave it there…I’m over at the football post now…Maybe “BOB” will have something more interesting tomorrow…HPD out

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