Comments on: Meeting costs of Health Care and Cap and Trade: The 60% economy http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2009/07/09/meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:23:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Robert S. Siegel http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2009/07/09/meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-777 Robert S. Siegel Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:01:42 +0000 http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/?p=941#comment-777 Sorry for the delayed response on this put I have been out of town. First, Gore's actual comment was, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp Brett's use was close though not directly on. Gore did deserve some credit for his legislative work. However, just as most politicians do, Gore was very much, intentionly exagerating his record. He lost the respect of a lot of people that saw this interview and he deserved to lose that respect. It helped cost him the presidency. What he said, clumsy or not, was nonsense and we don't need that kind of nonsense in the White House - we have had enough there without his addition. In Gore's continued efforts at extrememism on climate he has lost credibility with vast numbers of people. That's a shame because he has something to say on this issue. It is however, a fact. Unfortunately, as I have written before, the environmental challenges we face today are far too important for us to allow environmentalists to work on them. Gore is the perfect example. His extremism has done more harm to the cause than it has done good. He needs to go back to Tennessee and stay there if he really wants to help the fight against global warming. Sorry for the delayed response on this put I have been out of town.

First, Gore’s actual comment was, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Brett’s use was close though not directly on. Gore did deserve some credit for his legislative work. However, just as most politicians do, Gore was very much, intentionly exagerating his record. He lost the respect of a lot of people that saw this interview and he deserved to lose that respect. It helped cost him the presidency. What he said, clumsy or not, was nonsense and we don’t need that kind of nonsense in the White House – we have had enough there without his addition.

In Gore’s continued efforts at extrememism on climate he has lost credibility with vast numbers of people. That’s a shame because he has something to say on this issue. It is however, a fact.

Unfortunately, as I have written before, the environmental challenges we face today are far too important for us to allow environmentalists to work on them. Gore is the perfect example. His extremism has done more harm to the cause than it has done good. He needs to go back to Tennessee and stay there if he really wants to help the fight against global warming.

]]> By: Ending Excellence in U.S. Healthcare | Mind Your Own Damn Business Politics http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2009/07/09/meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-735 Ending Excellence in U.S. Healthcare | Mind Your Own Damn Business Politics Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:09:02 +0000 http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/?p=941#comment-735 [...] write often about enabling people to take care of themselves, and to earn more money. The answer to healthcare is not to make the [...] [...] write often about enabling people to take care of themselves, and to earn more money. The answer to healthcare is not to make the [...]

]]> By: Trae Holland http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2009/07/09/meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-731 Trae Holland Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:21:13 +0000 http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/?p=941#comment-731 I absolutely find the Gore "inventor of the internet" canard absolutely charming. He actually never said that, but again that matters not once a cherished argumentative dart finds its way into the right's arsenal (like Reagan's "welfare queen") it matters not whether it is true or not, just that it is satisfying to repeat over and over and over and over again. All the better that regurgitating it continuously like some mantra actually frees the speaker from having to do any actual thinking. As to Gore and his comment in your link, you have that incorrect as well. He describes the threat of climate change to the well being of the world as being similar to that posed by Hitler, and thus ignoring it akin to appeasement. Not that denying it is Hitlerian. The distinction might have been lost on you, but it is important in what and who is being demonified. I don't think I would have used that language, but again if one subscribes to the incredibly huge scientific consensus that sees climate change as an existential threat, I think I can forgive his hyperbole. Now on the other hand, if you do not believe that climate change is real, then I guess it would be easy to find all of this much ado about nothing. But know this, of the two sides: environmentalists concerned about cataclysmic alterations to the earth's ecosystems or corporate financed think tanks and scientists for hire who are paid to deny climate change to protect profit margins....which one of these has an agenda deserving of more immediate doubt and scrutiny? I absolutely find the Gore “inventor of the internet” canard absolutely charming. He actually never said that, but again that matters not once a cherished argumentative dart finds its way into the right’s arsenal (like Reagan’s “welfare queen”) it matters not whether it is true or not, just that it is satisfying to repeat over and over and over and over again. All the better that regurgitating it continuously like some mantra actually frees the speaker from having to do any actual thinking. As to Gore and his comment in your link, you have that incorrect as well. He describes the threat of climate change to the well being of the world as being similar to that posed by Hitler, and thus ignoring it akin to appeasement. Not that denying it is Hitlerian. The distinction might have been lost on you, but it is important in what and who is being demonified. I don’t think I would have used that language, but again if one subscribes to the incredibly huge scientific consensus that sees climate change as an existential threat, I think I can forgive his hyperbole.

Now on the other hand, if you do not believe that climate change is real, then I guess it would be easy to find all of this much ado about nothing. But know this, of the two sides: environmentalists concerned about cataclysmic alterations to the earth’s ecosystems or corporate financed think tanks and scientists for hire who are paid to deny climate change to protect profit margins….which one of these has an agenda deserving of more immediate doubt and scrutiny?

]]> By: Brett http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2009/07/09/meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-730 Brett Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:34:33 +0000 http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/?p=941#comment-730 Unfortunately, the same can be said of the other side too. There's also a lot of disinformation put out by the people that drive that agenda. True debate about it is leaving us; didn't Al "The Father of The Internet" Gore just re-iterate that people opposing this to be similar to Hitler? http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/gore-hitler-47121101 Unfortunately, the same can be said of the other side too. There’s also a lot of disinformation put out by the people that drive that agenda. True debate about it is leaving us; didn’t Al “The Father of The Internet” Gore just re-iterate that people opposing this to be similar to Hitler?

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/gore-hitler-47121101

]]> By: Trae Holland http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2009/07/09/meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-729 Trae Holland Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:27:40 +0000 http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/?p=941#comment-729 "The House of Representatives passed Cap and Trade legislation that is expected to cost Americans upwards of $3,000 per year per household after 2021." Republican congressmen produced the $3000 number from some very unscrupilous number crunching of their own that they with great license made out of thin air from an MIT study that produced neither that number nor that overall result. The author of that study has publicly confirmed that it is a dishonest manipulation of the numbers in his study. Either you are willfully passing on a statistic that you know to be false, or you are not educated on the issue. It is problematic enough to have a debate on the issue of climate change when people are even somewhat operating with real information. It is altogether impossible when drivel like this (created for pure disinformational purposes and with no mind either to scientific rigor or truth) continues to be spouted by someone like yourself as fact. “The House of Representatives passed Cap and Trade legislation that is expected to cost Americans upwards of $3,000 per year per household after 2021.”

Republican congressmen produced the $3000 number from some very unscrupilous number crunching of their own that they with great license made out of thin air from an MIT study that produced neither that number nor that overall result. The author of that study has publicly confirmed that it is a dishonest manipulation of the numbers in his study. Either you are willfully passing on a statistic that you know to be false, or you are not educated on the issue.

It is problematic enough to have a debate on the issue of climate change when people are even somewhat operating with real information. It is altogether impossible when drivel like this (created for pure disinformational purposes and with no mind either to scientific rigor or truth) continues to be spouted by someone like yourself as fact.

]]> By: Trae Holland http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/2009/07/09/meeting-costs-of-health-care-and-cap-and-trade-the-60-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-728 Trae Holland Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:27:05 +0000 http://mindyourowndamnbusinesspolitics.com/wordpress/?p=941#comment-728 "The House of Representatives passed Cap and Trade legislation that is expected to cost Americans upwards of $3,000 per year per household after 2021." Republican congressmen produced the $3000 number from some very unscrupilous umber crunching of their own that they with great license made out of thin air from an MIT study that produced neither that number nor that overall result. The author of that study has publicly confirmed that it is a dishonest manipulation of the numbers in his study. Either you are willfully passing on a statistic that you know to be false, or you are not educated on the issue. It is problematic enough to have a debate on the issue of climate change when people are even somewhat operating with real information. It is altogether impossible when drivel like this (created for pure disinformational purposes and with no mind either to scientific rigor or truth) continues to be spouted by someone like yourself as fact. “The House of Representatives passed Cap and Trade legislation that is expected to cost Americans upwards of $3,000 per year per household after 2021.”

Republican congressmen produced the $3000 number from some very unscrupilous umber crunching of their own that they with great license made out of thin air from an MIT study that produced neither that number nor that overall result. The author of that study has publicly confirmed that it is a dishonest manipulation of the numbers in his study. Either you are willfully passing on a statistic that you know to be false, or you are not educated on the issue.

It is problematic enough to have a debate on the issue of climate change when people are even somewhat operating with real information. It is altogether impossible when drivel like this (created for pure disinformational purposes and with no mind either to scientific rigor or truth) continues to be spouted by someone like yourself as fact.

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